Nicole talks to novelist and short story writer John Brandon about his new collection Further Joy, experimenting with form and re-thinking what makes a short story work. Non-fiction author Daniel James Brown discusses how he found his way into the story of The Boys in the Boat: Nine Americans and their Epic Quest for Gold at the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the value of thorough research and the importance of conflict throughout a narrative. His book is out now in paperback.

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(Broadcast date: June 18, 2014)