Michael Datcher, author of the New York Times bestselling memoir RAISING FENCES, talks with Nicole Nelson about his new novel AMERICUS and discusses writing dialogue, layering conflict, and getting from draft number one to draft number 19. In the second half,  Leni Zumas, author of the story collection FAREWELL NAVIGATOR, and the novel THE LISTENERS, discusses her work and the value of defamiliarization, learning to use autobiographical elements discerningly, and tips on writing past clichés.

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(Broadcast date: October 22, 2014)